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Post by ARROW SLINGER on May 30, 2007 18:09:51 GMT -4
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Post by litekpr on May 31, 2007 7:50:46 GMT -4
Not a real accurate accounting being as you can vote as many times as you like. Kinda like the useless polls on NSH, as you can vote there as many times as you like....  Ironic the exact same issues are brought up over the same issue wherever. Only thing remains constant is the fact that the range limit is still 40yds and that they require practice and skill, also mentioned there in the forum discussions is that there is absolutely no differance in the argument as to when pins were put on vertical bows,plus releases..etc etc... The one thing that did stick out is that allowing them may in fact bring new members which equals more voices and money....which IMO would be a good thing. Ya' all know how I voted...several times I might add ;D |
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Post by alpo on May 31, 2007 9:02:51 GMT -4
I don't see it as any magic missile that will somehow unite the archery community, or the hunting community either, but more & more I could care less if they ever become legal.
I think like bow hunting in general, some folks will try it out, find out it is harder to be successful & hang-em up or sell them off. With no appreciable gain to the sport, except the addition of another weapon we could choose from.
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Post by huntwisely on May 31, 2007 14:43:21 GMT -4
Correct on all counts, Pointy - I know you've been doing a lot of research on this
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Post by litekpr on May 31, 2007 15:18:57 GMT -4
Exact same arguments against again Pointy....
The numbers I refer to are new members to bowhunting, wether they be new hunters all together or rifle hunters.
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It's an insult to any dedicated archery who practices to become proficient with his or her bow to think someone can buy on of these things and in a matter of minutes be shooting bulleye's at 60+ yards. The manufactures promote the ease of this.
End Quote...
The ONLY people promoting that are in fact the manufacturers, users will tell you differant...anything to make the sale.
Snake oil sellers will tell anyone their product will do everything they want it to...it's called advertizing.
I'll make you challenge Pointy....
Get BANS to get hold of one of the newest fanciest crossbow on the market under the understanding we want to "field test it".
You put 5 arrows out of 7 in a pie plate at 60yds or better within an hr of starting shooting it and I'll not only buy you a 24 I will vote totally against crossbows in archery season...forever.
That also works both ways if you don't get 5 out of 7.
This of course based on your honour you haven't been practicing with it beforehand.
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Post by huntwisely on May 31, 2007 15:37:24 GMT -4
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Post by litekpr on Jun 1, 2007 0:38:38 GMT -4
I'll assume thats a...NO... to the challenge.....?
"Are you going to put down your compound to use one in the archery season?
If so why, because it's so much better, easier?
Can you answer that ?"
Given "the choice" ...yes I very well might.
I would take it on as a new exciting challenge as I currently am the compound.
Certainly.
I am far from any belief that it would be in anyway "easier" or "better"
"How many would use a loophole to get a chance to get into the wood in the early archery season? I'd guess there would be some. It's an insult to any dedicated archery who practices to become proficient with his or her bow to think someone can buy on of these things and in a matter of minutes be shooting bulleye's at 60+ yards. The manufactures promote the ease of this.
If you want to hunt with a rifle buy one if you want to hunt with a bow buy one. Don't try and pass one of these off as Archery tackle because thats just simply insulting."
"It's an insult to any dedicated archer"
"one of these things "
"Don't try and pass one of these off as Archery tackle because thats just simply insulting."
Just gotta say here,
When the day comes I get my deer and bear without bait(or scents) cleanly with my bow....if my head swells to the size of "some" over it....
Someone come down here and kick it back to earth will ya?
Shakin' me head....
I really don't get this ...bowhunters are better idea....
I'm a hunter and thats it, plain and simple....I'm a hunter.
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Post by litekpr on Jun 1, 2007 7:08:15 GMT -4
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Post by POINTY STICKS on Jun 1, 2007 11:48:04 GMT -4
OK so I read it, now tell me why you think they should be in archery season.
Why not rifle season?
Why not their own season?
Why is everyone trying their darnedest to shove them into the archery season, could it be that the rifle hunters don't want them either. The manufactures know they would face a greater challenge trying to get excepted by the rifle hunters.
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Post by litekpr on Jun 1, 2007 17:43:43 GMT -4
I'm not about to debate this issue once again with closed minded elitists....
Theres no point.
Being as you're not up to the challenge you probably shouldn't use the fact that "out of the box" it's possible to hit bulls at 60+yds either.
Never know...someone MIGHT call ya on it.
It's funny that you guys keep saying about the web people should attend meetings in order to get things done...tell me something, if after I've paid my dues to BANS(who "should" be fairly representng all members) and then took on the expense to travel to a meeting to vote in favour of anything that would buck the "PERSONAL" views of the "upper echelon" of this ORG....
I'd be wasting my time/breath and money.
The couple years I've been a member the only thing BANS has solicited from me is my dues...nothing else, not my opinion on matters, unless you count this as one?....but it is apparent and has been for a while how BANS stands on this and some other issues.
Then again this is an example of reaching out to members online to get their opinions(Something BANS reps have said isn't possible)...only problem is...they won't count will they unless of course you attend meetings...kind of a loophole isn't it?
Ya wonder why more people don't join organizations??
Maybe you should start thinking about how to keep the members you have...or....had.
I applaud the work that was done in the past to achieve what we have now, however I see this org as being steered towards one specific clique within it. Put this years dues to good use cause ther probably won't be any coming nextyear or until I feel that BANS is actually beneficial to ALL hunting/hunters not just the elitists.
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Post by huntwisely on Jun 1, 2007 19:32:31 GMT -4
KPR , friend
That elitist word is so easy to use, but is it not you being elitist? - The voice of one versus an organiztion that is representing what the majority of it's members want us to do.
There is no personal views here except yours. We all know that figures don't lie, but liars figure - we can find "fact" on the internet to support opposing views all day. (Suggest you look at the state reports from their wildlife offices. Geogia, for example has a good bit of info). We can also find user and "experts" that support either side.
The bottomline is that the majority of the BANS members do not want to risk putting the archery season in jeopardy, with all they went t through to get it. BANS supported the resolution to put them in the General season - thats something they didn't do in the past.
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Post by litekpr on Jun 1, 2007 20:56:19 GMT -4
The bottomline is that the majority of the BANS members do not want to risk putting the archery season in jeopardy, with all they went t through to get it. BANS supported the resolution to put them in the General season - thats something they didn't do in the past. Thats just toooooo funny!!! Majority of the people that would vote a certain way. Thats right you can in fact get figures to work the way you want...just ask the people that you KNOW will vote a certain way. I did not get asked what my opinion on that matter was. I paid my dues and have a card...that makes me a member. Don't I count? Kinda like the poll in the original post here..."vote as many times as you like"...surely an accurate account in someones eyes, and facts/figures that will be used...somewhere. Heres a poll for BANS members right here...... How many members got asked what their opinion on crossbows was? Post either yea...or...nea. |
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Post by huntwisely on Jun 1, 2007 23:10:24 GMT -4
I was at the Bowhunter's Instructor's meeting last year and the majority of them were not for them in achery season. They are also the majority of the BANS members. This year was no different, but from what I hear, the agreed to take the necessary training to be able to teach the cross bow course, if the resolution passed at the NSFAH AGM is passed by the government.
Were you at the AGM ? - That's where things are discussed and resolutions drawn up to be passed to the Federation. Ideas for resolution can be sent in anytime during the year for discussion at the AGM in October.
Although not a perfect system, it does work - Communication is a two way street - The executive of any organization cannot be expected to mind read.
The answer to your poll from me, was yes - twice once this past October and once the October before that.
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Post by POINTY STICKS on Jun 1, 2007 23:50:00 GMT -4
Kpr sorry you think BANS is run by a bunch of elitist. I've asked you a couple of question you haven't answered
Are you willing to put down your rifle to hunt with a crossbow?
The other question was why you think they should be automatically placed into the archery season.
Your all upset about BANS is not representing crossbows in Nova Scotia. Um sorry but at this point in time NO organization in Nova Scotia represents them, and they currently are not legal to hunt with in NS.
As for the elitist comment, my self and the other executives of BANS are here to support bowhunting, and to defend bowhunting and the archery season in NS. That my friend is not being elitist, it is however a fair representation of the members who have attended meetings, sent emails, and had face to face discussion.
There is no point in name calling and getting nasty, you have the right to voice your opinion on this and any topic. Now I would like to continue this discussion with you, and anyone else as long as it's kept polite. Who knows we might all learn something.
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Post by litekpr on Jun 2, 2007 3:00:43 GMT -4
Quote.... I was at the Bowhunter's Instructor's meeting last year and the majority of them were not for them in achery season. They are also the majority of the BANS members. End Quote.... As per my last reply.....A select few. Just out of interest... How many BANS members are there? How many of them are bow instructors? I'm guessing but I think I took the "new" math as compared to "old" math when it comes to figuring out what a majority is and I can't really do good math without all the numbers. No Pointy I'm not upset about the lack of representation by BANS over crossbows. I guess you could say I'm upset I am a member yet the only thing I am asked for is money. I answered half your questions in reply #8 and you already know I would support them in bow season...theres enough woods to go around for everyone and they are in fact a bow. That said, I already know what your rebuttle to that will be as I have heard it before. Hence the not wanting to debate this issue once AGAIN cause I already know what the outcome/answers will be... It's all old and stale, but if it makes you feel that the executive is actively workin' on the crossbow issue feel free to google up some links and fire em around. Course now it's online so it won't really count until you get it to the AGM..... |
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