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Post by POINTY STICKS on Apr 23, 2008 11:48:25 GMT -4
There are some proposed changes to the hunting regulations which could see increased opportunities for bowhunters in 2A this fall.
Who out there would be willing to bowhunt 2A and who out there would be able to help put land owners and bowhunters together for a good cause?
Although the proposal has NOT been excepted as of yet, it could work to bowhunters advantage to be ready to step up to the challenge when it comes. Even if these proposals are not passed then bowhunters working together and putting together a list of land owners who are willing to allow access to their properties by bowhunters could aid in the reduction of the herd.
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Post by huntwisely on Apr 24, 2008 5:51:29 GMT -4
I am currently talking to two landowners I know in the area. I'll hunt there if the opportunity arises
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Post by biggame on Apr 24, 2008 7:18:37 GMT -4
I am sure I could be persuaded to help out.
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Post by tuketu on May 3, 2008 8:58:09 GMT -4
Hey Guys and Gals:
I don't think it's that simple . Having moved here 9 years ago from the Valley , I can tell you from experience that there are a lot of locals around here that are quite possessive about their hunting territory.
Yeh , you might get permission from the Landowner to hunt a property , but there are a lot of locals who have their own hunting territory , without permission , and I would be concerned about CFA's coming into spots these locals have had for years. I am very careful myself , about hunting a new area around here for fear of reprisal....be it flat tires , stolen tree stands etc...Last year I had permission from a friend to hunt his spot , and a friend of his thought someone else was muscling in on his territory and was going to cut my tree stand down ( on land he didn't even own )...Thank god he mentioned to my friend first , who set him straight.
Although the intent is good , I'm afraid it's going to open a whole new kettle of fish , between locals and CFA's , and it won't be pretty !
Food for thought
Tuk
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Post by POINTY STICKS on May 3, 2008 10:08:03 GMT -4
First off welcome aboard tuketu.
Yes there are going to be some challenges to this but first
The proposed changes at this time are for up to 2 does in the early archery season without the need of a anterless tag. yes there are some specific stipulation involved.
That won't infringe a whole bunch.
Other things we will be working on this year are urban hunt with in the heavily populated areas and possibly an extended season regulated out side the regular hunting season. These are not for sure as of yet.
BANS, the Federation and DNR are looking to hold public information sessions, hopefully starting soon to get feed back and input from those who live in the area. One magic number I have heard is that somewhere around 2000 deer need to be reduced from the herd.
The locals want the numbers reduced, now they have to start working with those who may be able to offer help.
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Post by tuketu on May 3, 2008 10:41:44 GMT -4
Thanks Pointy Sticks:
Nice to be aboard ,as litekpr would say.
I'm very interested in the possible outcome of this preliminary proposal as I am a Lunenburg resident and could safely bowhunt within sight of the house. Not really my style of hunting , but losing out on the doe draw the last 3 years sure has me yearnin' for some fresh deer meat this fall. Could of easily nocked down a deer , waited 'til dark and hauled it out...but ...that's not my style.
Unfortunately the "Locals" that want the deer removed are not the locals I'm concerned about . Another thing that concerns me is that the locals want the job done , but are they actually prepared for what a hunt actually entails.I really think they prefer the Magic Wand approach.
tuk
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Post by litekpr on May 3, 2008 11:14:43 GMT -4
LOL...knew this place would catch your eye when I linked that bear thread...lol This thread in particular no less  I see tunatales signed up too  Nobody knows it's here. I think in the public info sesssions prior to the hunt actually taking place the reality of what HAS to happen may or...should...be explained in detail to the landowners that don't realize. With 2000 being a number chucked around I think it may be a bit of an eyeopener to some "local" hunters...at least I would hope it is. Thats alotta deer  If their only concern is THEIR hunting spots hopefully they will be enlightened to the possibilities of what "could happen" if something doesn't happen and very soon. If the "matching" of hunters to landowners work maybe it won't be a prob as by the sounds and looks of it people weren't supposed to be hunting those spots anyway? It's been a good winter for deer the last few. Around here spots I would see 15 deer at most in a day I now see 40....gonna be interesting when the fawns drop. I know I have already had offers of spots from landowners here that normally wouldn't allow hunting.  RE: "The magic wand"...know any Pied Pipers?...lol |
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Post by POINTY STICKS on May 3, 2008 19:59:21 GMT -4
Well since the spring agm things got lively. A couple other groups wanted to know what could be done and why no one was stepping up. I had to send the President of the Federation a copy of a proposal BANS sent DNR a year ago. It meet with favor.
I believe the plans are in the near future to start discussions with the public, Municipalities and DNR to see what can be done over and above the current possibilities.
Options include "urban hunts" done in closer to where the rifles cannot go.
Access to Municipal lands
Extended special seasons
Municipality controlled hunts
Yes there are going to have to be many detailed public info sessions and many hurtles will have to been cleared. There is NOTHING new being looked at for the area by BANS or other groups that is not already in effect else where in North America. There are no concerns of the residents in 2A which would be new issues.
Done correctly this is a positive all the way around and the public with in 2A are the ones who benefit the most.
There were about 500 DVC's in Lunnenburg County last year and about 204 within the Town limits. What do you suppose that is doing to the insurance rate in the area? What type of damage is being done to gardens, and peoples private property?
Yes there is going to be opposition (there always is) but education is one of the keys. There are some great examples out there which are being done. Many of these would make for great models to base a program on.
Increased opportunities for bowhunters/ hunters
Increased revenue for Municipalities
Increased income for local businesses.
Increased business for the hospitality industry.
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Post by noluck on May 4, 2008 5:03:23 GMT -4
I have to agree with Tuk on this. I moved here about 12 years ago and when the locals found out I bow hunted I caught flack from some of the 'hunters' because when in the H*LL should I get to go and have a first crack at THEIR deer? Since then I only hunt the land that I have permission to be on and that is the inlaws land, who don't hunt, and I haven't asked anyone else. And in the community I live in I haven't actually heard any complaints about the deer herd, despite the fact that I have gone out and counted 51 deer in 1 trip (about 10 minutes going slow enough to do an actual count) around a 4 km2 area! But the deer are hanging very close to houses and have no fear of people and I don't think that the problem deer can actually be legally harvested. I know what the high numbers of deer mean, they are eating all available food and I am pretty sure that another easy winter like the one that just went by and we will start to see the disease and starvation. It seems to me that the deer are actually getting smaller in size which is another example of the imbalance and unhealth of the herd. These purposed changes will benefit me and maybe the herd, but I don't feel that they will benefit bowhunting or huntings public image. And to start tossing around numbers like needing to get rid of 2000 deer I think will only allow unscrupulous individuals another reason to illegal take more deer. I feel what should have been done all along was to say if you get an antlerless tag it is only usable to tag an antlerless deer.
But until DNR actually agree upon what they are going to do I don't think anyone should go getting to excited. I try to have faith in them but once you realize how much 'politic-ing' is going on by old farts who have lost complete touch with reality and don't have a clue what they are talking about it is hard to hold on to faith in the government.
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Post by tuketu on May 4, 2008 6:25:05 GMT -4
Hey KPR: Took me a while to get to it , but as you can see I FOUND IT! I'm so glad your amused. Went for a short drive last night just around Mason's Beach and Front Centre roads (a 5 min walk from the house) and counted 35 deer without trying. Don't get me wrong Pointy Sticks ...I'm all for the Urban Hunt idea. What you have to understand is that , for a number of these locals there is only one season ...Open Season...and not restricted to daylight hours. Now I don't want to paint all the locals with the same brush 'cause there are a lot of law biding locals here as well. What does one wear for camo on an Urban Hunt anyway? Suit and Tie ; Shorts and sandals? Noluck...Like you I have hunted land down here by permission for 5 or 6 years , however last year I found someone elses Tree stand in the exact same tree I was using . Come to find out it was a local who was bunny hopping , taking a deer in one spot then moving to another. No one would report him ( including myself ) for fear of retaliation. And you are certainly right about deer sizes as well . Speaking with some residents of nearby areas , there is already signs of overbreeding with deformaties in the herd. If DNR wants to thin the herd then just put someone on the roof of their new building in Lunenburg . A long gun with a decent scope will do the trick quite nicely I should think. tuk |
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Post by litekpr on May 4, 2008 7:12:24 GMT -4
35 deer and NO PICTURES!!!! ....MY GAWD!!! Ya know you can report someone anonn. Go to a pay phone and make the call. I don't think he is hurting the herd much but POACHERS give hunters a bad name for some reason. The public/media seem to confuse the two I know if I lived down there I'd be scouting right now and butterin up to the landowner with the best spot. The one that would be home while I'm hunting to watch over my vehicle. Allow me to park right in their driveway. Has a nice garden/landscaping they want protected. Could give a rats *** about any of the nieghbors that like to look at/feed deer. DNR has to do something and I have no doubt it will be soon. It's not just about the deer in the town of Lunenburg ya know? They are catching flak from all sides on this one. NO LUCK... Tell them boys you are allowed the "early crack" cause you took the time to learn/practice,took the course and basically improved your hunting season. BOWhunting is legal and available to everyone including them. Nows the time they should be getting on board. They can put up or shutup. Thats what I tell complainers. Maybe good if they(DNR) would get going on it or annouce something so new local hunters could be trained in time for this season What a spot for an archery store to open up. |
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Post by tuketu on May 4, 2008 17:04:58 GMT -4
Hey KPR :
I've only got a cheap Digital so it doesn't take great pic from a distance . What the hey , maybe I'll give it a try and make an attempt at posting them .
I've got land owners here that I can access their property , but they are a little apprehensive about CFA's cause of past experiences.
I know you're right about reporting anon. but I'm still concerned that they might find out somehow! Some of these guys down here make Jeff Foxworthy's relatives look like girl thingy's !
That's good advice Noluck ...about the early season....It's not our fault they they don't Bowhunt . They have the same priviledges as us if they want to take the time....Thanks KPR for reminding me of that.
tuk
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Post by POINTY STICKS on May 4, 2008 17:29:32 GMT -4
well noluck another part of this puzzle is that DNR is also proposing that is you do get an anterless deer tag for 2A you would only be able to legally hunt does for the first 3 weeks of open season.
They are starting to look very seriously at options.
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Post by litekpr on May 5, 2008 6:49:22 GMT -4
well noluck another part of this puzzle is that DNR is also proposing that is you do get an anterless deer tag for 2A you would only be able to legally hunt does for the first 3 weeks of open season. They are starting to look very seriously at options. "First three weeks" Is that everywhere or just 2A? Great idea either way. |
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Post by barryonly on May 5, 2008 8:15:04 GMT -4
Count me in PS, I would love the opportunity to get some doe meat for the freezer. If there is anything taans can do to help with PR or matching hunters to landowners, let me know.
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