Moose Tag Draw

[huntwisely]

I am trying to gather information on how draws for tags are being done in other provinces, that use a priority system where, for example, the longer time you have consistantly been unsuccessfully applying, the better your chances are of getting a tag.

Do you feel this would be an issue that BANS should raise as a resolution ?

Please, in an effort to discuss this one issue and get a resolution ready for October 14th, no side discussions such as what is happening in the highlands now, or a bow only season. There is a resoluton on the books for a bow only season now.

[alpo]

I am not trying to side track, but is the system in place supposedly somewhat priority, preventing the lucky applicants from applying for a number of years ?
I have no idea how such a small number of tags could be distributed over such a large number of annual applicants in a way that would ever appear to be more fair than the simple draw we have now.
I am also wondering why BANS would take it upon itself to reform the lotto in any way other than to gain more access for bowhunters.
As i said in the Doe-head thread, the resoloution i think needs to be brought forth is to have the monies spent on this lottery go to the DNR rather than to a call center. That was over $150 000 of sportsman's money that should be directed towards the resource.

[huntwisely]

That's why I asked if people felt it is a BANS issue or not.

What someone is suggesting is a system when if you have applying every year for 3 years and not get drawn, you get 2 entires, 5 years, 4 entries miss a year 1 entry sort of thing.

I don't know exactly how I feel, but am interested in how others feel.

I also believe that changing the call center idea is/was being looked at by perhaps the NSFAH. I heard someone was looking at it, although I don't know if any, all or none of the 6 dollars per call was to go back into Nova Scotia Moose Management or Mainland Moose Managment.

[archeryman57]

The draw system now uses random applicants.
A priority system would increase your odds as the years go by that you apply. If a year comes up whereby you are not able to hunt if you were drawn then you would enter a 999 number to keep your priority status.
The reason why this would be a BANS res is that any of the affilliated member clubs of the Federation can enter res's that they feel can improve the fishing, hunting or conservation of NS.
It should be looked at first to see if it is in the Federation's policy book already.
The Fed, like HW has said, is working on taking over the call center's job. There are many things to consider. One being that some folks will whine that it is selfcentered and a biased draw system, if it was run by NSFH.
Another part of the resolution could be to limit the time between years of being a companion hunter. Going every year can be loophole that money would fill.

[litekpr]

I think the graduated system would be great.
I'm pretty sure a few other org's would back it also.
The way it is may well be "fair" to everyone but in the end may not be to some...if ya know what I mean?
Certainly the more you enter the better your chances should be and I do believe sending the money to the call center is a waste it would be great if it could back to the resource.


Firm believer there should be change there.

[alpo]

10 000 + applicants & only 200 or 300 tags available....... it would be a LONG time before the new system , any new system, would seem fair to the majority of hunters.

[huntwisely]

I think perception is a big thing, Alpo. May folks are discouraged that after applying for 15 or more years, they have never been drawn an some seem to get derawn every 5 years. At leat with some of the priority systems the longer you have been dry, the better chance you have of succeeding. My not be 100 %, but say after 15 years you get to entries as aooposed to one and it keeps increasing till drawn - the perception may be "I have a better chance"

[bearguest]

ALPO IS CORRECT...DO THE MATH.....IT REALLY WOULDN'T HELP WITH THE HIGH APPLICANTS VS THE FEW TAGS.....SO AFTER AN UNSUCCESSFUL YEAR YOU WOULD HAVE 2 CHANCES IN 10 INSTEAD OF ONE...NOT MUCH BETTER ODDS.

EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS OF APPLYING....ASSUMMING YOU GET A CHANCE PER UNSUCCESSFUL YEAR...WOULD STILL ONLY BE LIKE 10 OUT OF 10,000.....OR HOWEVER MANY APPLY.

O...BEA HERE

[POINTY STICKS]

O...BEA Know a fellow who goes by BEA but not O...BEA ;D

Long time no type, how's things?

I would have to agree, with so many applying and so few tags, the odds still wouldn't be greatly improved.

Every one would have to start fresh with such an idea and nobody would have an advantage to start. At that rate you would have to be in the draw every year for 25 years before you stand to gain any advantage.

[huntwisely]

The number of entries increase is only an idea to start discussion- I'm still researching how the priority system works in other provinces. The bases of the resolution would be to develop a system where the longer the continual dry spell , the higher up the priority list you go. There are systems that work in other provinces .

[bearguest]

they only work cuz the ratio isn't so out of whack.

[POINTY STICKS]

I would agree. Many of the areas that use such draws have a greater number of tags available. That and the fact that some of these draws are also strictly for the Non-resident hunters who apply every year.

Were talking about 10.000- 14,000 applicants applying every year for 345 tags. Even with a so called priority system it's going to take you a long time to get anywhere near the top of the list. Would there be any benefit?

[archeryman57]

As it is now, there can be three hunters on one tag. If the tag required that you could only hunt moose every five years then the number of years before everyone has a chance to hunt would drop to a minimum of ten years before being drawn.

[litekpr]

I think it would at least turn the light a bit brighter at the end of a tunnel where there was NO light before.
Now this is NOT a highjack but if the numbers are as good as some say up there...
Why is it they don't increase the number of tags available for a few years for non-natives?
Maybe that could be part of or the resolution?

[huntwisely]

The areaa that is the most overpopulated is in the National Park and therefore offlimits to hunting - go figure.