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[guest]

yes its enough, ill see if i can dig up the literature online to the actual testing that has been done in this field, extensive testing. i have it in a book by bernie pellerite somewheres if i cant find it online ill scan it for all to see and believe. also ill admit i dont know what you should use out of a recurve, but i posted the compound specs since this is a compound section.

[POINTY STICKS]

Ok does it say any thing on the minimal fps to go with that, and is that before tip is added or total finished weight?

[huntwisely]

I would go with 9 - 12 grains per pound of drae weight

50 pound bow 450 - 600 grain finished arrow -

[guest]

thats total weight, however like i said im unfamilier with non-compound bows enough to make a statement on that. , in order to have an arrow that light, its going to be small in diameter, therefore there is less resistance when the arrow impacts, now that being said, shot placement would also have to be correct as i would think the arrow would have more of a tendencie to deflect more, but then again shot placement should be first and formost on our minds in the woods anyways. like i said, illget the info and post it up this weekend that way im not mis-quoting anything here

[POINTY STICKS]

Sad to see that our guest has not had a chance to post the info he was looking for. I have been watching this thread to see. A2 if your still out there, I'll ask if you and you knowledge can put any light on the subject. I see when you were discussing BH arrows you had them figured at around 10 grn/in. Would that be closer to the standard for a hunting set up?

[fsmm]

yes you are correct ps, if you are using an arrow that is that light you will need to have some speed to back it up. if your using a stick bow, with the slower speeds than a compount you are going to need a heavier arrow. Alot of top hunters are using light carbon arrows, with good broadheads and ACCURACY they will be just as effective as a heavier arrow, of course your skill needs to be higher as well because usually a faster lighter arrow will not be as forgiveing. personally my hunting arrows were around 8 grains per inch. 6 is the recomended lowest, and 5 is the lowest that most bow manufactures will still warrenty a bow.

[archer2]

Bow manufacturers usually Warranty their bows at 6gr/lb. IBO rules are 5gr/lb minimum. That being said it will still void warranty if ther bow is shot with less than 6 gr/lb.
I would hesitate to shoot an arrow weighting 200 gr at an animal unless it is small game.
Here's a Kinetic Energy Chart. I would use that as a reference. It doesn't post as it's put down so you will have to make due.lol
The foot pounds of Energy delivered to the target is the vertical column and the horizontal column is the arrow speed.[tr]Arrow speed
210 215 220 225 230 235 240 245 250 255 260 265 270
29.38 30.8 33.24 33.73 35.24 36.79 38.37 39.99 41.64 43.32 45.04 46.79 48.57
31.83 33.36 34.93 36.54 38.18 39.86 41.57 43.32 45.11 46.93 48.79 50.69 52.62
34.28 35.93 37.62 59.35 41.12 42.92 44.77 46.66 48.58 50.54 52.54 54.59 56.66
38.5 40.31 42.16 44.05 45.99 47.97 Big Game 54.15 56.3 58.48 60.71
39.17 41.06 42.99 44.97 46.99 49.06 51.17 53.32 55.52 57.76 60.05 62.38 64.76
41.62 43.63 45.68 47.78 49.93 52.12 54.37 56.66 58.99 61.37 63.81 66.28 68.81
24.07 46.2 48.37 50.59 52.87 55.19 57.56 59.99 62.46 64.99 67.56 60.18 72.86
46.52 48.76 51.06 53.4 55.8 58.26 60.76 63.32 65.93 68.6 71.31 64.08 76.9
48.96 51.33 53.74 56.2 58.73 61.32 63.96 66.65 69.4 72.21 75.07 77.98 80.95
51.42 53.9 56.43 59.03 56.68 64.39 Largest Toughest Game 78.82 81.88 85
53.87 56.46 59.12 61.84 64.62 67.46 70.36 73.32 76.34 79.43 82.57 85.78 89.05
56.31 59.03 61.81 64.65 67.55 70.52 73.56 76.65 79.81 83.04 86.33 89.68 93.1
58.76 61.6 64.49 67.46 70.49 73.59 76.75 79.99 83.28 86.65 90.08 93.58 97.14
61.21 64.16 67.18 70.27 73.43 76.66 79.95 83.32 86.75 90.26 93.83 97.48 101.19
63.66 66.73 69.87 73.08 76.37 79.72 83.15 86.65 90.22 93.87 97.59 101.38 105.24
66.11 69.3 72.56 75.89 79.3 82.79 86.35 89.98 93.69 High Stress 105.28 109.29
68.56 71.86 75.24 78.7 82.24 85.85 89.55 93.32 97.17 101.09 105.09 109.18 113.33
71.01 74.43 77.93 81.51 85.18 88.92 92.75 96.65 100.64 104.7 108.85 113.07 117.38
73.43 77 80.62 84.33 88.11 91.99 95.94 99.98 104.11 108.31 112.6 116.97 121.43
75.9 79.56 83.31 87.14 91.05 95.05 99.14 103.32 107.58 111.92 116.36 120.87 125.48
78.35 82.13 85.99 89.95 93.99 98.12 102.34 106.65 111.05 115.53 120.11 124.77 129.56
[/tr]

[archer2]

The corrolation between arrow speed and arrow weight have to be measured so they both together end up as a lethal ethical combination before just jumping in on the "speed kills" bandwagon.
Yes speed may well kill but it has to be tempered with a lot or accuracy.
Accuracy has to be paramount on a slower arrow as well as the faster arrow. No slouching on practice will get you to be the best archer/bowhunter you can be so practice perfectly.

[POINTY STICKS]

He He Heee, I don't know if I'm seeing numbers or spots

[BEA]

well said Rick

[guest]

archer2 said:

Bow manufacturers usually Warranty their bows at 6gr/lb. IBO rules are 5gr/lb minimum. That being said it will still void warranty if ther bow is shot with less than 6 gr/lb.

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i know for a fact that pse and its companys will warrenty at 5 and ive been told hoyt will as well

[archer2]

Guest, The 5gr/lb 'theory" was established by the IBO in its competition rules, not by any bow manufacturers. Bow makers want you to shoot the heaviest arrow possible to prevent equipment failures and lawsuits arising from injury due to a failed piece of equipment.
PSE suggests 6gr/lb to keep the warranty intact.

[guest]

archer2 said:

Guest, The 5gr/lb 'theory" was established by the IBO in its competition rules, not by any bow manufacturers. Bow makers want you to shoot the heaviest arrow possible to prevent equipment failures and lawsuits arising from injury due to a failed piece of equipment.
PSE suggests 6gr/lb to keep the warranty intact.

while you are correct they do suggest 6 gr per pound, they warrenty at 5, ive talked to them in tuscon when i had one with cracked limbs, incedently i was shooting about 6.8 gr per pound, but i asked them point blank if they would warrenty it at 5 because thats what the arrow i wanted to shoot came in at 5.2 i think it was, anyways they said yes, anything down to 5GR/lb

[peter]

heh guys the bunny hunt in bass river is on jan 14 06 . still 20 bucks, lots of food, breakfast starts AT 08 SUPPER AT 5 PM NO CROSSBOWS ,DOGS, OR BROADHEADS. LOTS OF BUNNIES THIS YEAR hope to get out soon . i think don and john are already drooling have to wait and see . hope to see you all there. peter